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Guide PART 19 AEC DIMENSIONS AND DIMENSION LABELS Contents: |
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Dimension
Toolbar How do I get this toolbar? You can also acquire access to some of these commands from the Alternate Document pull-down menu. From the Document pull-down menu, pick AEC Dimension > and cascade to the Dimension commands. This toolbar is an optional tool and is not needed to use this guide but may help. |
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Dimension pull-down menu
Before you get going with the AEC Dimensions, you may want to read up on how to create AEC Dimension Styles so you will have a better understanding of the options that affect their behavior. Unlike regular AutoCAD Dimensions, AEC Dimensions are not just a matter of Selecting the Points that you want to string dimension lines between; they read Objects and attempt to create all of the points for you in an AEC Dimension Group. You will also need to brush up on your AutoCAD Dimension Styles because AEC Dimensions use them as the source for most of the physical settings while adding Architectural Desktop specific features such as Display Representations. |
And finally, you may want to consider if these tools will actually be a productive contribution to your work or a hindrance. Though they offer useful new features they also restrict you from working in a fashion that you may have become accustomed to with AutoCAD Dimensions. The two main features you get with the AEC Dimensions are rapid object recognition/behavior and Display controls that fall in line with other ADT objects. The main features you lose are Grip editing flexibility, ease of use when running Continued strings and options for non-Linear dimension types; i.e., AEC Dimensions don't offer Leaders, Angular or Radial types. |
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Standard AutoCAD Dimension Toolbar Because AEC Dimension Styles utilize AutoCAD Dimension Styles for most of the physical properties (such as Arrow Type and Height, Extension Lengths and Offsets, etc.), collect your favorite settings prior to working on AEC Dimension Styles. Illustrated to the left I show the AutoCAD Dimension Style's pane with a couple of example Dimension Styles. The "Arch_24" Dimension Style is identical to the "Arch_48" Dimension Style with one exception: DimScale. Both Styles have "children" for each type of dimension but since AEC Dimensions only work as Linear types, you may not need to consider "children". I think it is a good idea to have very complete Styles because inevitably you will end up mixing regular AutoCAD Dimensions with AEC Dimensions. |
Illustrated above I show the standard AutoCAD Dimension toolbar. If you downloaded our PowerSTRIP toolbar, you will find a modified version of this toolbar where we set many of the dimensions to Key to ADT's Layers. In AutoCAD 2002 we acquired a new type of Standard Dimension called True Associative Dimensions. This new type of Dimension is also known as a Trans-spatial Dimension because it can read the true length of objects through a Viewport in Paperspace. In other words, you can dimension in Paperspace over a Viewport and snap to objects inside a Viewport to get the correct dimensions. And even if you change the Viewport Scale Factor, the Dimensions will read correctly, remain attached to the correct points and report the correct dimension lengths. The variables to control this new True Associative dimensioning are DimAsso or Dimassoc ( they both do the same thing now). Though you can use regular AutoCAD dimensions on ADT Objects, you cannot use the newer "True Associative/Trans-spatial" feature which explains, in part, why we needed AEC Dimensions. |
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AEC Dimensions Overview
An AEC Dimension is an AutoCAD Dimension Style wrapped inside an Architectural Desktop Object Style where most of the dimension object's appearance is controlled by the AutoCAD Dimension Style while new display and behavior options are controlled within the ADT AEC Dimension Style. The primary problem with this "hybrid" Dimension Object is that it does not offer the range ( only linear ) and flexibility (no real Grip Editing) available for regular AutoCAD Dimensions. AEC Dimensions work on Xref's but do not have the trans-spatial (through viewports) capabilities offered by AutoCAD Dimensions. Since most of my dimensioning work, for example, is for Building Permits and Construction Documents, is it usually the product of careful communication more so than mechanical repetition. In other words, each extension line is placed with careful thought about what I want built and where I can afford to provide the contractor with some slack ( often denoted with "+/-" ). I may dimension from face of studs or finished material depending on the circumstances of the job and I may be more interested in interior values than exterior values. I may dimension to the centerline of one object but the edges of the next one. AEC Dimensions do not lend themselves easily to this method of dimensioning and thus do not represent one of the tools in ADT that I have adopted. Below I will discuss the options and settings you can employ in an effort to make AEC Dimensions work for you. After examining the full range of options and settings, you too may decide to await more development on this tool. |
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Add AEC Dimension
Properties Palette
You can Add AEC Dimensions through several means (see discussion below) but however you chose to add them, you will need to Select the AEC Dimension Style on the Properties Palette (unless you type "-DimAdd"). The Properties Palette for AEC Dimensions really doesn't offer anything other than the option to Select the current Style. This is much like the AutoCAD Dimension Style drop-down list and as with AutoCAD dimensions, you can always change AEC Dimensions to a different Style. |
When Adding AEC Dimensions, the most important thing to consider is the Selection Set. Though you can Select All Objects in a drawing, you will not find that the AEC Dimension are "intelligent" enough to spread out in multiple directions as they apply to Walls, Doors, Windows and so on. This means that you basically only use them for one "Group" or string at a time; like one length of Wall or side of building. For the most part, I avoid Selecting internal Objects when I want to dimension the exterior Walls. You will probably want to Select interesting Walls and any Objects that need to be included, such as Columns. What you Select is really more about the settings available for AEC Dimensions than anything else and is thus often a game of trying the produce the results you seek knowing the limits of the Style. |
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Add AEC Dimension Examples For me, I have found that the easiest and most successful approach to adding AEC Dimensions is to work by Selecting only Wall Objects whenever possible. When you Select a Wall, Doors, Windows, Openings and Intersecting Walls are all automatically included. Illustrated to the right I show an example of one horizontal Wall and one vertical Wall that were dimensioned in two separate operations using the same AEC Dimension Style. The AEC Dimension Style was configured to only use one Chain but uses all Wall Intersections as a source for extension lines. This is good in some cases but produces unwanted clutter in other cases and you will either need to create unique AEC Dimension Styles for resolving such issues or use Manual Editing. Note: |
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Add Manual AEC Dimension
The Manual method of Adding AEC Dimensions is a rather misleading option that works and sounds great until you find out that this technique produces non-associated dimensions. In other words, manually placing AEC Dimension points is just like converting AutoCAD Dimension Objects to AEC Dimension Objects: there is no association with any Objects.
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The only advantage to using the manual method is that it comes close to working like you are using regular non-associated AutoCAD Dimensions while providing you with the Style benefits of AEC Dimensions. The problem for me is that adjusting extension line points after changes have occurred is so time consuming that it is basically easier to delete the dimension and start over. |
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Convert AutoCAD Dimension to AEC Dimension
Converting AutoCAD Dimensions to AEC Dimensions is not as simple as it sounds nor as useful. You would think it would just be a matter of selecting and hitting the Enter key, but what actually transpires is a Re-Dimensioning process where the endpoints of the AutoCAD Dimensions are used to create a New AEC Dimension Group. In fact, you can choose to keep both since a true conversion really isn't happening anyway. Once the "conversion" has been completed, you will find that using multiple Chains only produces redundant dimensions strings. You will also find that these new dimensions are not associated to any of the Objects so you may have been better off just creating AEC Dimensions from scratch. Example Command Line sequence: |
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Convert AEC
Dimensions to AutoCAD Dimensions To Convert AEC Dimensions to AutoCAD Dimensions use the Explode tool twice on an AEC Dimension object. |
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Modify AEC Dimension
Properties Palette
Though you can activate the Properties Palette when modifying AEC Dimensions, the only option you will find is for Styles. For other types of modifications, you will need to work with the AEC Dimension Groups directly via "Edit in Place" or by using the Context Menu options illustrated to the left. One major aspect of working with AEC Dimensions that you must take into consideration is several of the modification options produce rather misleading results that are not quite what you would expect. |
Converting and Manually Adding Points, for example, may create AEC Dimension Objects but they are not associative and thus do not automatically adjust when the project is modified. You can actually create hybrid AEC Dimensions where portions of a Chain are associated but other portions are not. This is similar to using AutoCAD's True Associative ( and Transpatial) Dimension but modifying a points with Grips to remove the associations. |
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Attach Objects to AEC Dimension
Attaching Objects to existing AEC Dimension Chains is fairly logical but the results may prove confusing. Illustrated to the right I show examples of how one Wall has been Attached to an existing AEC Dimension Chain but only affects the Chain when positioned to the outside of the main Wall Object. The results of Attaching Objects has more to do with the current AEC Dimension Style than anything else so if you get undesirable or no results, check the Style settings. |
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Detach Objects from AEC Dimensions
Detaching Objects from existing AEC Dimension Chains should prove fairly easy to comprehend when you are working with Walls but once you attempt to Detach items in Walls, such as Doors, Windows and Assemblies, it becomes a different matter altogether. The fact of the matter is that you cannot Detach Objects that are included in the AEC Dimension Style settings. In other words, if a Wall is in the Chain and you don't want to include items anchored in the Wall, you can only "detach" those items by Removing Points or changing the Style settings; which will affect the entire Style. |
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Add Dimension Points to AEC Dimensions
The Add Point to AEC Dimension tool appears to be extremely useful until you begin moving objects around and discover that Added points are not associated with the object(s) you Snapped to. Adding Points works in the same way as the Add Manual AEC Dimensions option and thus beckons the question of why you would use it. It can be rather useful in cases where you just can't pull extension lines out as you need to but once you start mixing manual points with associated points, it can get messy when changes occur. Finding manually placed points is no easy matter since there are no display options to help you find them. This makes the use of this feature a bit dangerous because users may not notice incorrect extension lines and values if they are only off by small amounts or mixed up in a Group with where most of the Chain is associated. |
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Remove Dimension Points from AEC Dimensions
To remove Points (Extension Lines) from an AEC Dimension Group, you simply Select on the Extension Lines and look for the change in Color. Once you have completed the Selection of one or more Extension Lines, hit <Enter> and you will find that not only do they disappear but the values of the dimensions are adjusted accordingly. If you have the "Removed Points Maker" Display Component On, you will see a circle with an "X" in it to indicate where the Extension Line was removed from.
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Instead, I found that if you Manually Add a Point where you once had an Extension Line, and then Remove that Point, the old Extension Line will magically reappear. Despite the Alert dialog that periodically pops up about associations, I found that associations are restored. |
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Override
Text and Lines...
The Override Text and Lines dialog box, illustrated right, is like a handicapped version of the Mtext Editor for regular AutoCAD Dimensions but offers the option to Hide Text and Lines. If you are familiar with the options for overriding AutoCAD Dimensions, this may prove to be an irritating dialog but it is all that is offered at present. If you don't know your unicode for symbols such as the "+/-", jump out to the Mtext Editor, find your Symbol, Copy it and then return to Paste it in under the Suffix or Prefix fields. Notice the Remove Override button which indicates that you cannot remove overrides all in one quick and convenient fashion; you must return to any single text and Remove Overrides one-at-a-time. If you activate the "Override Text and Lines Marker" Display Component, it will be much easier to see which lines have been overridden. Underline Text - this option will not work as expected if the "Override Display of Underlined Text" setting is checked on the Options dialog, AEC Dimensions tab. |
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Match
to AEC Dimension
The DimMatch command is almost perplexing because of the nature of how most "MatchProperties" tools work in software programs. This tool is not for matching AEC Dimensions but for matching existing AutoCAD Dimensions to a Selected AEC Dimension. In other words, you Select an AEC Dimension Group to "paint" on to existing AutoCAD Dimensions Objects in your drawing. Since AEC Dimensions use an AutoCAD Dimension Style as the source of most settings, this tool saves you the trouble of hunting that style down. |
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Modifying AEC Dimensions with
Edit in Place
You can activate the Edit-in-Place mode for AEC Dimension Groups by using the Edit-in-Place option on the Context menu or by using the Edit-in-Place marker as illustrated to the right. During an Edit-in-Place session, you will find Grip points that resemble those for regular AutoCAD Dimensions but are more limited and restrictive. The Extension Line Offset Grip, for example, appears as the Origin Grip but only permits control over the length of the Extension Line; i.e., you cannot use this Grip point to set a new point of origin for the Extension Line. The most useful Grip is arguably the Text Position Grip and it works much like the one found for regular AutoCAD Dimensions except that you don't have any way to access the Dim Text Positions for options like "Move with Leader". Notice however, that the Context menu does offer a Reset Text to Original Position option so you can quickly cleanup a string that has been overly modified. |
Note: When Moving Text, it is best to turn Off Osnaps as they tend to catch odd points. I also recommend keeping Ortho On to Move text with more control. |
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Style Manager - AEC Dimensions
For AEC Dimension objects, you can use the Style Manager to load, modify, delete and create new AEC Dimension Styles. Illustrated to the right I show the process of creating a New AEC Dimension Style that I have Named ".My Office Standard". By double-clicking on this new style, you will invoke the AEC Dimension Style Properties dialog box. The General tab provides access to the Name and Description fields for a Style; plus access to the attachment of Notes. When you create an AEC Dimension Style, think of it more as a technique than a single Style for one particular look or scale as you would with regular AutoCAD Dimension Styles; i.e., think of this as a full group or string of dimension objects that read your drawing for you. You might, for example, have an office standard for commercial jobs, residential jobs, design/schematic or other tasks. |
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Style Properties - Chains tab On the Chains tab of the AEC Dimension Style Properties dialog box you can set the number of dimension chains you want for a typical string of dimensions. Each Chain will be given a number, starting from the closest outward, and you can set the action/behavior according to your own preference. The 1st Chain might call out Doors, Windows and Openings while the 2nd Chain calls out Walls and the 3rd Chain creates a total. Because you can deactivate Chains under the Display Properties tab, you may want to think of this number as the maximum you ever expect to use for this particular Style. Be aware, however, that this approach creates problems when using the DimConvert command to convert regular AutoCAD Dimension Objects to AEC Dimension Objects; basically the conversion only works when the number of Chains is set to one (1). Note: |
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Style Properties - Classifications tab
I have no idea what you would Classify Dimensions as or why so that's all I have to say on this subject. The tab is here for product consistency but you may find a reason to Classify your AEC Dimension Styles and I'd love to hear the reason and function. |
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Style
Properties - Display Properties tab
The Display Properties tab of the AEC Dimension Style Properties dialog box provides access to some simple display options but a vast array of behavior options. For AEC Dimension Display Components you will find AEC Dimension Group, AEC Dimension Group Marker, Removed Points Marker and Override Text & Lines Maker. The AEC Dimension Group Display Component must be On to see the Objects but the AEC Dimension Group Marker is basically archaic now that you can see this as a Grip Marker. It can be useful, however, when trying to discern between AEC Dimension Objects and regular AutoCAD Dimension Objects. The Removed Points Marker will display places where Extension Lines were automatically placed but manually Removed. The Override Text & Lines Marker will display a horizontal line over dimension text that has been Override and can thus be a useful feature that I wish was available for regular AutoCAD Dimensions. By keeping this last Display Component on a non-printing Layer, like DefPoints, you can have it On while not printing it. |
Illustrated to the left, is another way to access the Display Properties tab; select the specific object, right click on your mouse to invoke the object-specific pop-up menu and select Edit Object Display... Just be aware that when you use this approach, you can actually set an Object Override as opposed to a Style Override. |
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Display
Properties - Component Layers Illustrated to the right and left I show the Layer/ Color/ Linetype tab on the Display Properties dialog for the default Plan Display Representation. I set unique Colors to each Display Component for clarity in the illustration below. See the discussion directly above for more information on the function of each Display Component.
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Display Properties - Contents tab The Contents tab of the AEC Dimension Style's Display Properties dialog box provides access to what I like to think of as the behavior or technique for the AEC Dimensions. For each Chain you have a whole group of ADT object types or conditions that you can specify dimension behavior around. You can make detailed decisions about how to dimension a Door opening, or example, or more drastic decisions about including or excluding objects like Walls. By Selecting a Chain number, you can set options for each of the Objects listed under the Apply to list. With three or more Chains, this process can become a bit lengthy and tedious. Chains are numbered from the closest to the farthest so you will need to consider appropriate functionality relative to proximity; i.e, Door, Window and Openings dimensioned first and then Walls and then totals. Use the Checkmark in the boxes next to the Chain Numbers to activate or deactivate the number of Chains you want for the current AEC Dimension Style. If you create a Master AEC Dimension Style with the maximum number of Chains that you will ever use, you can Copy this Style later for permutations. |
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Display Properties - Contents tab - Wall
Illustrated to the right I show one possible Dimension structure for Walls in Chain number one (Chain 1). In a multiple Chain structure it would be unusual to include the Overall but you will most likely want sections of Wall along a string. Notice that there is no option for dimensioning to centerlines of Wall Intersections or, as I prefer, alternating outer edges. Regardless of the number of Components in Walls, AEC Dimensions typically pull Extension Lines from the outer most Component which is not a happy situation for architects who wish to refer to framing components. Overall - this should be an obvious option based upon the image tile. This is the option you would probably choose for the 2nd or 3rd Chain as the overall dimension. Be aware that Overall is literally the overall length of all Walls in the Selection Set as opposed to the Overall of individual Wall lengths (see option below). Length of Wall - this option seems more
like one that has to be decided upon by the individual user at the time of working on a job
but I have found that I prefer the Outer Boundaries option to avoid clutter in my
dimension strings.
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Wall Width - this option
seems appropriate for work with unusually wide Walls or when dimensioning at
a high level of detail. Wall Intersections - this option does just what the image tile illustrates: captures every intersection of Selected Walls. The only problem I have with this option is that in many cases I don't want to indicated rough or finished Wall widths because that's just getting too detailed. I prefer to dimension in alternating rhythms starting at the outside to outside and inside to inside or simply going from center to center. These are styles that vary from office to office and from type of architectural work ( residential, commercial, etc. ). If you want the alternating style, there is no option for that and the only solution I have come up with thus far, is to Add Points manually. For your custom office configuration, you should try with and with out for the 1st Chain and decide for yourself which is better. |
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Display Properties - Contents tab - Opening in Wall
Wall Openings, not to be confused with Opening Objects, can be a bit confusing and frustrating. In my tests I found that they apparently only read the openings created by Openings, Doors, Windows and Assemblies but don't read openings created with the Interference or Body Modifier tools. What you have here are options for dimensioning Walls and depending on what you include in your Wall Selections, the dimension results may vary. If you only Select the Wall and not any Doors, Windows or Openings, the cuts these Objects make in the Wall will all be treated like Wall Openings (as discussed here). If you include Doors, Windows and Opening Objects in your Wall Selection then the settings under the Opening/Door/Window section will also apply. This means that you can actually combine settings to produce such results as dimensions from the "Opening Max. Width" (the edge) to the Center of a Door. If, on the other hand, you don't apply any of the settings offered here, a Door might be dimensioned from an adjacent Wall instead. Note: |
Opening Max. Width - this option should theoretically find the widest point along openings that produce unique cut or opening endcap profiles but none of my tests could produce conclusive evidence of this effect. I set it active for my example AEC Dimension Style but be aware that this will affect the settings under Opening/Door/Window as discussed to the left. Opening Min. Width - I have yet to find any evidence that this option actually works. Center of Opening - this option will place extension lines at the center of all wall openings regardless of any settings you have have set under the Opening/ Door/ Window section. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Mass Element
You can configure AEC Dimensions to include Mass Elements but the results can vary depending upon what you do with your Mass Elements. Mass Elements that use custom Profiles or are the product of Boolean operations tend to be limited to a single Overall Chain regardless of what you set. Mass Element Groups appear to work rather well producing results as indicated by the options and graphics illustrated to the right. For information on the options listed to the right see discussion for Curtain Walls. The example settings I show in the table above represent what I found useful when using Mass Element Groups to produce massing studies for early design-development work. Typically I only use two Chains. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab -
Curtain Walls
As with the other Objects and their respective settings, getting comprehensible results from the Curtain Wall settings has more to do with your Selection Set than anything else. Overall, like Walls for example, reads the entire length of All Curtain Walls in a single Selection Set (even if they are separated by large distances). Overall - this option will dimension to the outer most edges of a single Curtain Wall Object but so will the Bounding Box. The exception to this rule occurs when there are Objects Attached as Infills, like Doors, and you include them in your Selection. Bounding Box - this option will dimension to the Overall of the individual Objects in the Selection Set. In other words, if you have two discontinuous Curtain Walls in your Selection Set each one will receive an overall dimension Edges |
Center - this option will create extension lines from the Centers of Infills, Frames and Mullions but does not allow you to specify which of these components you want to include or exclude from centerline dimensioning. It makes sense to centerline dimension mullions, for example, but not the Infills. One exception to this rule is when Infills are Attached Objects, such as Doors. In order to include centerline dimension of Attached Objects, their dimension settings must be set to Center and they must be part of the Selection Set. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Door/Window Assemblies
Because Door/Window Assembly dimension settings are identical to those for Curtain Walls, you may wish to employ the same logic for dealing with them. See comments under Curtain Walls for information on the various settings and options listed to the right. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Structural Member
AEC Dimensions will read Structural Members as part of one Selection Set. Be aware, however, that you can also use AEC Dimensions for Column Grids which can serve as Anchor points for Structural Members. For my example AEC Dimension Style, I show in the table above that I have only used the Center option for Chain 1 and no other options for any other Chains. You may need to adjust the example settings to meet your own personal uses and preferences for dimensioning Structural Members.
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Opening/Door/Window
Openings, Doors and Windows can be dimensioned independently of the Walls they may reside in ( Anchored to ) and thus are not necessarily considered Openings in Walls. Having said that, I find it rather unusual to only dimension a Selection Set of these Objects without including the Wall(s) so it is probably more likely that you will be combining the settings for Walls, Openings in Walls and the set offered here. If you are confused by the results of combining the Opening in Wall settings with those found here, I recommend that you deactivate all Opening in Wall settings and only focus on the ones offered here. When dimensioning Walls with no Opening in Wall settings, you will need to include all Opening, Door and Window Objects in your Selection Set - as you should do in all cases where you want these settings to affect the results. Overall - this option will dimension to the outer most edges of all Openings, Doors and Windows in one Selection Set. This effect is best observed when you only Select a set of Openings, Doors and/or Windows without selecting the Wall they are Anchored to. This can be a rather handy option for those who fake Assemblies by adding Doors and Windows manually to produce the look of a single Door/Window Assembly. Bounding Box - this option will dimension to the Overall of the individual Objects in the Selection Set. |
Edges Center - this option will create extension lines from the center of all Openings, Doors and Windows in the Selection Set. Do not confuse this Center with that under the Opening in Wall which can produce identical results based on the width of the opening the Objects cut in the Wall. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Grids
AEC Dimensions will read Layout Grids, Ceiling Grids and Column Grids. I think the three choices and the graphics are fairly self-explanatory. For my example AEC Dimension Style, I show that I have only used 2 Chains because I find it unlikely that you will be selecting multiple Grids at one time but you never know. For Chain 1 I used the "All Grid Lines" option which can be quite useful with Column and Layout Grids but ridiculous for Ceiling Grids. For Chain 2 I used the "Outer Grid Lines" option which will act like an "Overall" for any single Grid. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Linework
AEC Dimensions will read most AutoCAD based Linework such as Lines, Arcs, Circles, Polylines and Blocks but not Ellipses and Splines. When it comes to regular AutoCAD Linework I find it rather difficult to avoid using regular AutoCAD dimension Objects and you may find the same is true for you. One of the problems with using AEC Dimensions is that you cannot use OSNAPs as you dimension (unless you use Manual Points which aren't associated) which leaved you to the preset points listed to the right. You don't dimension by picking points but by making a Selection Set so the points are automatically derived for you from the Objects in that Selection Set. As most good AutoCAD drafters know, linework is often drawn more for continuity than for reflecting the actual break points in objects like countertops. How and if you use AEC Dimensions on Linework will be a matter for you to resolve by experimentation. |
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Display
Properties - Contents tab - Other
The final Object in the Apply to list is named "Other" and is thus not really one Object but all of those "other" AEC Objects that are not covered by the main list. The problem is that we don't really know what those "other" Objects are. You can use "Other" settings for Objects like Spaces, Slabs, Roofs and Roof Slabs but not AEC Polygons (AEC Polygons are not recognized at all). For my example AEC Dimension Style, I show in the table above that I have used the "Edges" option for Chain 1 and "Bounding Box" for Chain 2 with the option of using "Overall" for Chain 3. I have had fairly good success using two Chains but every now and again I come across an Object that works better with a single Chain; A single Stair Object, for example, will not work well with my example above because Chain 1 and 2 will simply produce the same results. |
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Display Properties - Other tab On the Other tab of the Display Properties dialog you will find one of the most important settings you can make for AEC Dimension Styles: the AutoCAD Dimension Style. Dimension Style - use the drop-down list to select an currently available AutoCAD Dimension Styles or sub-styles ( a.k.a. children ). Use the Edit... button to access any selected style with the AutoCAD Dimension Style Manager dialog. Distance between Chains - use this value field to specify the real distance you want between AEC Dimension Chains. Notice that this is the "real" distance and not the printed distance. It is not automatically scaled so the value needs to be different for every scale or Display Representation that is configured for different printing scales. Layer... - use this button to assign the AEC Dimension Style to a unique Layer thus overriding the Keyed Layer. Setting this to Layer zero (0), something I recommend, allows the layer key to set the Layer. Use Fixed Length Extension Line - this check box locks all of the Extension Lines to a specific length as set in the "Length of Extension Lines" value field. |
Length of Extension Lines - this value can only be set if the Use Fixed Length Extension Line check box has been checked. As with the Distance Between Chains value, you must use a "real" distance. It is not automatically scaled so the value needs to be different for every scale or Display Representation that is configured for different printing scales. Show Height of Openings - checking this option adds another line to your under the standard dimension text with the height of Wall Openings. This option can be used to indicate the heights of Openings, Doors and Windows as long as the current AEC Dimension Style employs and of the Opening in Wall settings. The problem with this option is that a contractor could easily confuse the dimension distance with the opening height so I recommend that you look into using AEC Dimension Labels or Tags instead. |
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AEC Dimension
Style - Permutations In the discussion above I provided a scenario for creating a basic office standard AEC Dimension Style that used up to three Chains. If you followed along with the steps you will now have a single AEC Dimension Style ready for use but because we don't always use one, two or even three Chains, you will need to create permutations of this master Style. Using the Style Manager, create two or more Copies of the "My Office Standard" AEC Dimension Style and Rename them something like "My Office Standard 1 Chain", "My Office Standard 2 Chains", etc. For each of the Copied AEC Dimension Styles, return to the Contents tab on the Display Properties dialog and match the number of Chains to the Style Name by checking or un-checking Chains. Remember that you will need to repeat your changes for each Display Representation. Illustrated to the right I show an example of multiple AEC Dimension Styles based on one original master. I also show another Style, as an example of something I have been experimenting with, that combines the functionality of all three by using 1 Chain for Low Detail, 2 Chains for Medium and 3 Chains for High. |
This Style can be useful for earlier Design Development where only exterior Wall dimensions are use but as projects become more refined, so too do the number of dimension Chains. |
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5AEC Dimension Wizard | 5-19 AEC DIMENSIONS AND DIMENSION LABELS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AEC
Dimension Wizard dialog box
The AEC Dimension Display Wizard is erroneously labeled as a Style Wizard when, in fact, it really is a tool for modifying some specific AutoCAD Dimension Styles for predefined AEC Dimension Styles and related Display Representations. In other words, it is merely a tool to quickly run through some basic settings that you could also modify by working directly with the AutoCAD Dimension Styles. Since AEC Dimension Styles can use different AutoCAD Dimension Styles with different settings for each Display Representation, it can prove to be a little confusing so this dialog helps guide you to the matching settings. Illustrated to the right I show the first two pages of the Wizard and below I show the last two. On the 1st page of the Wizard's dialog all you can do is Select one of any predefined AEC Dimension Styles. You see, it is not a tool to create AEC Dimension Styles but a tool to help modify existing ones. On the 2nd page of the Wizard's dialog box, you can Select any of the corresponding Display Representations; such as Plan, Plan High Detail and Plan Low Detail. For each Display Representation you can alter five basic settings for the corresponding AutoCAD Dimension Style ( see gray box listing the current Style Name). Taking this action is the same thing as going to the AutoCAD Dimension Style dialog and making the same changes there. |
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AEC Dimension Wizard -
Text, Color and Layer On the 3rd page of the Wizard's dialog box, you have more options related to the corresponding AutoCAD Dimension Style. These can also be set by working directly with the AutoCAD Dimension Styles. Remember that most AutoCAD Dimension Style settings apply to real-world values so 1/8", for example, is really 1/8" and will be multiplied by the DimScale value as set under the current AutoCAD Dimension Style. On the 4th and final page of the Wizard's dialog box you have even more settings that relate to the current AutoCAD Dimension Style. Typically, Colors are controlled with the "ByBlock" setting but some prefer to have different Colors (Lineweights on .CTB based plots ) and thus you can set those Colors here. For the Layer... zero option, I recommend that you keep the Layer set to zero so your AEC Dimension Style will use the current Layer Key to automatically go to the correct layer. |
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6Dimension Labels - Overview | 6-19 AEC DIMENSIONS AND DIMENSION LABELS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dimension Labels
Access
Accessing the Dimension Label command is as perplexing as their overall intent and design. At this point in time I am convinced that these have been relegated to a forgotten past and probably will not see any further development because you can use Tags or even Fields for similar results. At present, there is no way to access these tools without prior knowledge of the commands that I will list below. They do not work on Xref's. For me, a basic Label tool has it's merits and I would have appreciated further development on this set. One of the interesting aspects of using the Door and Window Labels is that they are independent of Door and Window Tags and they don't rely on Property Set Data for the information they present; they go straight to the Object's Dimensions. |
Illustrated above is the "Create Multiview Block for Dimension Labels" dialog that you will activate for each of the label commands discussed below. |
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Dimension Labels
Anatomy As far as I know, there are only four built-in Label tools in Architectural Desktop: DoorLabelAdd, WindowLabelAdd, OpeningLabelAdd and StairLabelAdd. Each command activates the same "Create Multiview Block for Dimension Labels" dialog which allows you to Select any loaded MvBlock Name as a Dimension Label. Upon first use of any of these commands, an MvBlock Definition is imported along with corresponding Blocks whose Attributes do the actual work of reporting Object data. These Labels are not Tags and thus do not use or import Property Set Data. Labels use the current AutoCAD Dimension Style for numeric Formatting but come with an embedded Text Style named "Standard Label". The scale or height of the text is fixed within the Attributes and does not scale according to any unit changes in the drawing; the small text is about 4" (100mm) and the large text is about 7-7/8" (200mm). The default Labels have been configured to only display under the Low and High Detail Display Configurations. You may need to make modifications to these MvBlocks in order to see them in your drawings or to make use of them for the Medium ( or other) Display Configurations. It appears that the source of the MvBlocks
for these Labels is hard-coded. Assuming I am correct, the only option
for permanent modifications to the default Labels is to keep your modified
versions of these MvBlocks in your template files. For users advanced
enough to work with Registry Keys, you may want know that you that there are
keys for Imperial and Metric Text Heights, Offsets and Positions. \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Autodesk\ |
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7Adding Dimension Labels | 7-19 AEC DIMENSIONS AND DIMENSION LABELS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Add
Door Label
The DoorLabelAdd command uses the default "Standard Door Label" Multi-View Block and this MvBlock has two Blocks set for display under the Plan High and Plan Low Detail Display Representations. By default these Blocks will not appear under any other Display Representations so you may find them impossible to see if you are using highly custom Display Configurations. The Blocks are named "DoorLabel50" and "DoorLabel100" which refers back to a former release of Architectural Desktop where these numbers referred to Display Representations (1:50 and 1:100). |
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Add
Window Label
The WindowLabelAdd command uses the default "Standard Window Label" Multi-View Block. See comments for "Door Label Add" for more information. The Blocks are named "WindowLabel50" and "WindowLabel100". The "WindowLabel50" Block utilizes two attributes to report the Head Height and the Sill Height, while the "WindowLabel100 Block" only has one attribute for Sill Height. |
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Add
Opening Label
The OpeningLabelAdd command uses the default "Standard Opening Label" Multi-View Block. See comments for "Door Label Add" for more similar information. The Blocks are named "OpeningLabel50" and "OpeningLabel100". See comments for "Window Label Add" for more information on these blocks and their attributes. |
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Add
Stair Label
The StairLabelAdd command uses the default "Standard Stair Label" Multi-View Block. See comments for "Door Label Add" for more similar information. The Blocks are named "StairLabel50" and "StairLabel100". Both Blocks use two Attributes; one for the Riser Count and one for the Tread and Riser ratio. |
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8Modify AEC Dimension Labels | 8-19 AEC DIMENSIONS AND DIMENSION LABELS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Modify AEC Dimension
Label Properties Palette
The Properties Palette for modifying AEC Dimension Labels will not offer much of anything for you to change unless you wish to the change the MvBlock. You can change the Scale but you cannot change the Orientation (Rotation Angle) as you can when Adding one of these Objects (to Rotate simply use the Rotate command). You can see the Attribute data, as illustrated to the right but you cannot add or modify the values as long as they are associated with an Object. AEC Dimension Labels have one Grip point which provides you with the ability to change the Location and put the label in more suitable positions. As long as the automatic anchoring has not been Released, the Label will remain associated with the Object and will move with it as well.
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AEC Dimension
Label - Prefixes
On the AEC Dimension tab of the Options dialog you will find the Dimension Label Prefixes section where you can Change or Remove the default prefixes for the Door, Window, Opening and Stair Labels. Many of the prefix options, such as those listed for the Door Object Type to the right, are for Attributes that are not used in the default Blocks but could be added with some custom modifications. With custom Door, Window and Opening Labels, discussed below, I typically Remove the Prefixes for the values that I have the Attributes report because they make the statements too long and somewhat redundant. Note: |
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Custom AEC
Dimension Labels for Doors and Windows
For simple residential remodel projects and early design development presentation drawings, I have found that the Door and Window Labels can be rather useful if configured properly. Illustrated to the left I show an example of how I use a custom Door Label to indicate With and Height of Doors. I use a similar Label for Windows. To create your own custom AEC Dimension Label, you will need to start by creating one or more Blocks for the different Display Representations you can use in the final Multi-View Block that will hold the Block(s). Using the "AttDef" command I created an Attribute for the Door Width by using the Tag "WIDTH". This term is directly tied to the Object and was derived from the list of available terms listed on the Options dialog ( see above). You cannot use a Default Value on these so be sure to leave that field blank. Since I want to create a Label that has the Width of the Door followed by the Height, I set the Width text to Left Justified and the Height text to Right Justified. I also added a lower case "x" between these two attributes just for clarity. You can use any Text Style you wish for these Attributes but just consider how you want to deal with that text at a later date. Since these are not Tags, they won't use the current Text Style when you use "Standard". I just decided to use the default "Standard Label" Text Style Name that the default Labels use. |
The Height of the Text can be problematic because these Objects don't automatically Scale to the drawing Scale. What I decided to do was to create two versions that match the Print Scales I regularly use: 1:48 and 1:96. As such, I used 6" text for the 1:48 scale and 12" text for the 1:96 scale. You can use 4" and 8" if you prefer smaller Labels for these scales but I wouldn't go any smaller. For the Blocks, use Names that are easy to interpret at a later stage in this process and use a Base Point right in the middle of the space between the "Width x Height" attributes; i.e, in the middle of the "x". |
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Creating the AEC Dimension Label Multi-View Block If you have already inserted the default Door and/or Window Labels, you will find that you have a "Standard Door Label" and a "Standard Window Label" Multi-View Block. Illustrated to the right I show two possible approaches you may take to create your own custom MvBlocks for Door and Window Labels. You can create your own custom MvBlock Name or use the default MvBlock Name. The advantage of modifying the existing MvBlock Name is that the "Create Multiview Block for Dimension Labels dialog always defaults to the "Standard ..." MvBlock Names and thus if you modify those names, it's just a little faster to use them. Also illustrated to the right I show the process of modifying the existing default "Standard Door Label" MvBlock Definition Properties. You will most likely want to have your custom Blocks display under Plan, Plan High Detail or Plan Low Detail and you can simply Remove any existing reference and replace them with the Add... button. If you created Blocks for different Scales, you will most likely want to match the Blocks with the Display Representations; i.e., large Block for Plan Low Detail and smaller Block for Plan High Detail. Once you have completed this task, use the DoorLabelAdd or WindowLabelAdd commands to test your MvBlock work. Don't forget that you can remove the default Label Prefixes on the Options dialog under the AEC Dimensions tab. |
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Using AEC
Dimension on Doors
- Work-around 1
Most firms that I have worked with in the United States dimensions doors by the actual door size and not the frame opening. Because of how AEC Dimensions read Objects using Doors with Frames makes it almost impossible to dimension in this fashion. Illustrated to the right I show how a common 3'-0" wide door will produce a dimension value of 3'-4" when the Frames are 2" Wide. If you set AEC Dimensions to Edges for the Opening\Door\Window category, you will get better results but you will also get Frame Widths in the dimension Chain and that is usually not done for common Construction Documents. Below I will discuss two work-around options that I can offer for this problem but be aware that I personally am not very pleased with either. Illustrated to the right I show that by setting a Door Style's Frame dimensions to zero (0), you can produce a classic architectural Door Symbol that will dimension as illustrated. The drawback to this work-around is that Frame dimensions will now be listed as zero in Schedules. |
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Using AEC Dimensions
on Doors - Work-around 2
Illustrated to the right I show that you can use the Display Properties of Walls for one or more of the Plan based Display Representations to create another work-around solution for the AEC Dimension problem at Doors. On the "Other" tab of any Wall's Display Properties dialog, you will find the "Cut Door Frames" checkbox; which is usually checked. By un-checking this option, Walls will cut to the actual Door Width and not the Frame Width as illustrated to the left. The drawback is probably obvious from my example image where you can see that the linework of the frame resides inside the heavier linework of the Wall. |
The other thing to watch for is that if you don't make this same Display Property change for all Plan based Display Representations, the AEC Dimension will actually change when you change the current Display Configuration. I think that's rather fascinating and may be useful for some but it could be disastrous for others. Note: |
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